That's why i'm using Pearls Practice kit. Has equally same feel as the high end Roland drums and costs litteraly 1/15 of their price hehe.
As long as the delay problems and other infrigments are happening on the front, these kits remains as a Toy.
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That's why i'm using Pearls Practice kit. Has equally same feel as the high end Roland drums and costs litteraly 1/15 of their price hehe.
As long as the delay problems and other infrigments are happening on the front, these kits remains as a Toy.
I didn't know delay was such a major issue. I mentioned it to a drum shop employee here in Montreal who said such delay does not exist and looked at me like I had no idea what I was talking about.
I'm with Suspiria on this. Nowadays there should be no real latency issue.
I have a much lower level set of e-drums and there are no delays.
Of course it is true that there may be some very, very quick delay that I can't hear -- but the same would be true for an electric guitar or keyboard. Virtually, however, there is none.
Now I did have a slight latency issue running into my computer at times, but that was solved with a better computer sound card.
If the more expensive Rolands haven't solved that issue, that would be an amazing story. Anything is possible, of course.
There's a bit of delay on some patches due to extra processing, but I can live with it. I use the kit for late at night shedding. I practice with my band and play gigs with real drums(I trigger the kicks in my band). Real drums are the best, no comparison. But the TD20 sounds tremendous and is a lot of fun to play.
I'm not sure exactly, but if i remember correctly, the "delay" prob, at least as i experienced it, was actually due to running the master L & R outs into not a mixer, but a sony stereo receiver [in the spare bedroom], with the sounds then coming out of the 2 speakers [all longer cables connecting]....headphones eliminated most all of this prob...but the difference between the feel of each kit, coupled w the naturally differing ambient acoustic dynamics to the human ear [the acou as opposed to the e pads], are not major, but somewhat if slightly significant enough. JMO
It is a good thing, FT, that you use both the acou AWA e's intermittently, no doubt. I was ref'g to using the e's exclusively for long periods of time [acoustics packed away - i know, sacrilege; heresy!]. I found it had def affected my perception & technique when I wennt back to acou. it was obviously a whole diff dynamic, to me anyway. [img]cool.gif[/img]
Nothing like striking a real snare AOT the mesh...the toms are somewhat closer in feel to each other...
I too used the TD-10 Vs mainly in the evenings [img]wink.gif[/img] [& occasionally in the hotel rooms]
I also agree that there are great sounds in the brain.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ February 17, 2005 04:59 PM: Message edited by: fuseU1 ]</font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmm, not so, I'm afraid.Quote:
Originally posted by MRhet:
I'm with Suspiria on this. Nowadays there should be no real latency issue. I have a much lower level set of e-drums and there are no delays.
Consider the signal chain in the average module. The trigger inputs are first converted to MIDI commands. These are then fed to a MIDI sound generator to produce a sound waveform. Then these sounds are post-processed (reverb, and so on) before being sent to the audio outs. All of this takes a finite amount of time.
The reason your "lower-end" module has a lower latency is that is doesn't do the huge amount of so-called wonderful extensive COSM modelling that the Roland modules do, which adds a significant further overhead to the processing time.
Hmm -- the problem is the human ear can't hear latency of 2 - 4 mms.
Now if you are running through a computer or other processor yes depending on your processor speed you may have some difficulty. But straight to an amp -- I just don't think so. If the ROLAND can't process it at a fast enough level, then they have an inferior product. If you are having that situation, then you should call them. But, I would be surprised. Remember these are digital instruments ? not really different from a keyboard -- can you imagine a keyboardist being able to play with strong latency? Couldn?t do it.
Do this test -- record a MIDI track (there won't be latency there, its too simple), then run an audio track into a program such as SONAR. They should link up at the same rate. At worst, the sound should be a little fatter, but that is all.
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